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"Mr. McConchie also told the court that in twenty-five years of practice, he has never seen a media defendant attempt to prove a defense of justification after its key sources admitted lying to the media defendant and recanted their allegations." Maybe he has never seen defendants so afraid of a money machine that can pay and pay for lawyers that they recanted their allegations because they could not afford the legal defense. "Mr. and Mrs. Robbins and his family wish to thank all Canadians who sent them words of encouragement during this time." And especially all those employees of the vaious law firms that are on the Robbins payroll. Posted by
Hate to see money win
@ 2005-07-28 20:40
Why did Robbins bring this lawsuit in Canada? He could never get it off the ground in any other country. Those articles did not defame him. Tony Robbins just wants to control media coverage of his "brand". Posted by
Dave
@ 2005-07-28 20:45
Gary III was representing himself. Posted by
Simon J.
@ 2005-07-28 20:48
These people are out of their minds!!
Are they insane? TONY!! THE JUDGE THREW THE APOLOGIES OUT OF COURT!
THE JUDGE THREW THE APOLOGIES OUT OF COURT!
THE JUDGE THREW THE APOLOGIES OUT OF COURT!
THE JUDGE THREW THE APOLOGIES OUT OF COURT! Did you hear that? They DO NOT COUNT IN THIS CASE. They are worthless, they are meaningless, they are garbage. Of course Robbins knows this, but he is trying to do media-propaganda for his Followers, so that they think the guy apologized, so everything is ok. Its all about Robbins Spin-Control, that he is now going to start on his Followers, so they can avoid the FACTS of the case. Let me tell you something, Robbins is literally a top world expert in what is loosely called "Mind Control", and he knows exactly what to do to persuade his Followers to see things his way. Its obvious that Lynch recanted as a part of a DEAL, for Robbins to drop the suit against him, and for Sage to drop her new divorce lawsuit against him. He backed down because he could save himself a fortune in MONEY MONEY MONEY, any moron can see that. And as far as Stockwatch, this is nothing other that trying to intimidate Stockwatch. Period.
THE JUDGE THREW THE APOLOGIES OUT OF COURT, so THEY ARE NOT EVEN PART OF THE TRIAL. There is no need to even report on this once the apologies were thrown out of court. Of course, Robbins knows this, but he is just trying to terrorize Stockwatch with the threat of another lawsuit. If this dirty-tricks Robbins comes after Stockwatch with a lawsuit, hopefully they will be able to get some assistance and fight that maniac Robbins. I don't think Robbins will be so happy about going to court again, as you can see that Robbins is TERRIFIED OF THE TRUTH. The TRUTH is the enemy of Tony Robbins. I think he has learned now he has to stay out of court. So if Tony comes after someone, if you can find the legal resources, fight him in court, and he might have to back down. But on the other hand, he could just not appear in court, and try to waste as much money as possible, just to terrorize people from speaking about him in the media. This is EXACTLY what the most nasty and dangerous cults in the world do to try and shut down any media coverage of them. That is exactly what Scientology does. You do the math on that one. I hope this trial inspires some investigative reporter to go out and do an ENTIRE BOOK on the True Story of Tony Robbins, and looks into his past, and explains all of his "Mind Control" stuff he does on his followers in his "brainwashing" type seminars, and dissects his tricky contracts, goes over all of his legal cases, divorce, and all of the hundreds of other hidden things about this person. Just find a big company to back the book. There is an important book to be written about Tony Robbins, and this Cult of personality worship, and the entire rip-off industry around it. Then you could sell the movie rights too...go for it, some Investigative Journalist!! The time is right for an expose'.... Posted by
Crockpot
@ 2005-07-28 21:36
Brrr! Who turned up the Libel Chill? Posted by
goLEEgo
@ 2005-07-28 22:31
It seems to me that the legal scare tactics, libel chill threats and frivolous lawsuits of Anthony Robbins are no different than those of Scientology and other dangerous cults who try to stop the media from reporting on their nefarious money gathering activities in the world. He's just copying what they do to make the media quake in their boots from getting sued. Tony Robbins is quite a dangerous person at this point, and it seems to me he's going to get much more dangerous in the future. Posted by
Watcher
@ 2005-07-29 00:45
I am sorry this trial is over... the daily drama got my blood pumping.... I want more! I want more! I want more! Hey Tony sue someone else so stockwatch can cover that one too and give us some more of your E3 philosophy....
Empowerment thru Education and Entertainment!!Let's do it again...
I am now empowered to write that book and keep everyone entertained and educate them all on how your brainwashing works! I hope it is as exciting as this stockwatch reporting!! Posted by
former insider@robbins
@ 2005-07-29 01:14
If you get up in the morning and make a statement to yourself everyday about what is true and not true, you can simply program the truth into your own brain. This is an interesting situation as we can now see if the judge and the public can be programmed by continous statements of what the truth is. We are now we are seeing neurolinguistic programming taken to the next stage. Mr. Robbins has a message to spread about personal power. What did Marshall McLuhan say? ---- The medium is the massage ----- Tony - buy commodities, buy oil, copper and uranium - TSX-V: APO, NOM, VEM. Just trying a little bit of personal power but I think I'll have to work on the massage. :-) Anyways, I also wanted to say that Stockwath has done a great job at bringing a little Entertainment Tonight to the site. Way to go guys. Posted by
Rocketraj
@ 2005-07-29 01:32
It seems like this comment section is a Tony bashing section. The guy is not perfect, he just tries to do the best he can. His philosophy is to 'fake it till you make it', which means that this is what he does, so don't knock him for doing what he's conditioned himself for doing. This is his pattern of behavior, 'fake it till you make it', if you listen to his tapes and seminars, and it serves him to make money and to change some people's lives. But 'be honest' till you make it, would be a higher place to operate from, and probably cause him less problems (bad karma). Perhaps he'll re-adjust some of his patterns after this trial, to consider some of what is written above. After all, he's supposed to always be self-improving, and there are some great critics here, a bit cruel, but thought provoking... Some of his teachings, truly, have helped many people... let's give the guy a break! He hasn't hurt anyone, he rescued a woman from a bad marriage! That's the bottom line! And now, and his intent is to do good in the world. Perhaps this law suit will bring more emphasis on how important accuracy and truth is in our world. let's send the guy and his wife some love, and let's forgive Lynch for his broken heart - obviously it hurt him that Bonnie left, otherwise he wouldn't have acted the way he did. The world has much more serious problems than such dramas that take away people's energy, all that for ego and proving who is right and who is wrong? Hum... perhaps if Tony would have gotten together with Bonnie in a way that didn't hurt Lynch as much as it did, this would not have happened. Perhaps it's just karma, hurt goes around and comes around... Posted by
Be more positive
@ 2005-07-29 01:35
Hey there "Be more positive", I hate to burst your bubble, but your Guru Tony Robbins is doing EXACTLY what he wants to do. He has been like this since day one, and he just gets worse and worse every year.
All of these Tonyites have bought his propaganda that he is this Wonderful Spiritual Person, who makes mistakes sometimes. Are you kidding? You have no idea of how Tony Robbins acts behind the scenes. This is just a taste of it. Now that he has some money, if you DARE cross him he will sue you into bankruptcy if he can, and he could care less. I think he literally "gets off" on the little bit of economic power he now has, as he grew up as such a loser. Now he is getting revenge.
The guy is a ruthless shark, who will stop at nothing to get what he wants. That is the truth. What makes him dangerous is that he puts on this fake act that he is this swell guy, and this makes people let their guard down. He is a voracious wolf in sheeps clothing.
He also literally uses "brainwashing" type techniques on "soccer moms" and regular people, and totally screws with people's minds in a totally unethical and profound way. Regular folk have no idea of what he is doing to them, but Tony could easily consult with the CIA and teach them a thing or to about how to persuade someone to do something. I know its impossible for those in a Trance of Tony to see what he is really all about. But about 5 years from now, after you have given him 50 grand or more for almost nothing, or even much more than that, then you might feel differently. Or maybe not. Tony has designed his psychological systems so that you BLAME YOURSELF, and not him. His fans never blame him for ripping them off, or teaching them faulty ideas that actually make them miserable and do not work. (the parts of what he teaches that do work, frankly, have nothing to do with him, and are really just behavior therapy, and common sense). So I feel sorry for the soccer moms who's minds Tony is able to literally take control over and whip into mass-hysteria. The guy is a master hypnotist, and is literally an expert in "Mind Control". He has Sage, her father, her sister, and everyone else in that group under his spell. The guy is unreal. The only people in this case who saw who Robbins really was were some of the ex-husbands. Why? Because they are more practical guys, who are not as hypnotically suggestible, and Tony is not able to put them into a profound Ericksonian hypnotic Trance. Posted by
Be More Realistic
@ 2005-07-29 02:52
So the best the Robbins people can come up with is that people should believe people who are professed liars?
These people are admitted liars, so who's to say they are not lying now? They have admitted they are liars, so what they say or don't say doesn't mean anything. They have no credibility, and obviously just "apologized" to get out of legal and financial trouble. Big deal. Tony put a gun to their heads, and they apologized, and now will change their underwear. Nice job Tony, you terrorized them into apologizing, what a hero. Mr Carlsen would have licked Tony's...feet to get out of this mess if he could have. He tried to apologize, by Tony still sued him, and is out to crsush him utterly. Carlsen got totally sucker-punched by Robbins, whereas Lynch got away without a worry in the world. Good negotiating job Lynch, I know you are patting yourself on the back for a job very well done. You got away with ZERO legal bills, no lawsuit by Tony, no divorce settlement from Bonnie, and Tony got his butt-kicked in court for a month and spent a fortune! Lynch, you beat Tony Robbins at his own game! On top of all that, you got rid of a woman who obviously has no problem running around with multiple men, while she is still married, as she claimed herself she was dating other men while still living with her husband, and during this time she was still using her husbands credit cards, which actually means she was NOT legally separated. Good riddance! Get rid of those cheatin' wives. Let her go and sign Tony Robbins prenup aggreement, she won't get much money out of Tony when their marriage turns sour, if it hasn't started to already. The points made in that statement also don't make any sense. As has been pointed out, Lynch's so-called apology was thrown out of court, so its irrelevant. And they are saying that since he apologized, there is nothing to defend? Are these people serious? The alleged "apology" means nothing in court, so it does not count. The Sun's case is rock solid, and they pretty much proved every point was true. I think Robbins lawyers did a horrible job in this case, both in court, and in the propaganda war outside of court. What they were trying to do was so transparent it was laughable. Their attempts to spin-control the Media with those bogus press-releases failed utterly. All it did was make the media pros laugh at the bias and attempts at manipulation by Robbins lousy amateur PR spin-doctors. Posted by
eye-spy
@ 2005-07-29 04:36
Excuse me "be more positive" you state that Tony "hasn't hurt anyone". Ahem. What about the 3 children from his ex-wife's previous marriage that he "raised as his own", plus his son that he had with Becky. I guess you don't think it was hurtful to Becky or her children that Tony betrayed his wife with another woman??? Sheesh. Whatever! Posted by
SoBeautiful
@ 2005-07-29 05:28
I can't decide which are the most niave, the lawyers who keep this thing going or the rich kids whi think we care. I am not a Tony fan, any time I've tried to watch him on TV all I seen is a pitch man from a carnival.
This whole trial has been about the games spoiled rich kids play (both sides) and how lawyers gain from them and in private laugh at them.
I imagine I'm like many others. I didn't know anything about the original stories and couldn't care less, but I follow court cases with great interest. In my opinion Tony has done more harm to his reputation than any news paper story. The only question I have is what game they will play next and who will "Bonnie/Sage" be in the next episode. And my wife thinks her soap operas are good!!! Posted by
Fin1
@ 2005-07-29 10:20
Tony is a phony. Posted by
Came To My Senses
@ 2005-07-29 11:01
You nailed it. And what about Bonnie? As far as I can tell - fake hair color, fake lips, fake breasts, fake nails, fake name. Gee, what a catch. Posted by
Also Came To My Senses
@ 2005-07-29 11:58
To the previous 2 posters, shame on you. You don't know either Tony or Sage so maybe you need to stop being so judgemental and juvenile with the namecalling and criticism. It's coming across maybe that you are jealous and/or need attention. I think they both Tony and Sage look dam good! Why don't you let them be and live your own life... step up and look at what you can improve in your own life. I bet there's much to do... but that's just a hunch. Maybe I'm mistaken and the people who are slamming are "perfect". I hope you find peace, passion, and excitement from your life... Posted by
Force For Good
@ 2005-07-29 13:47
On second thought, I'm not mistaken there is no man/woman on this earth who is perfect. How about focussing on yourselves and improving yourself and stop it with the bashing. Come on, now where's the love? We all have it inside of us, and what an awesome feeling if we use it!!! God bless... xox Posted by
Force For Good
@ 2005-07-29 13:52
Joe Millionaire and his harem boys should have kept their Reality TV in the late night no fly zone. Posted by
jen
@ 2005-07-29 14:20
again, FFG comes through with the comment of the day...The jealousy of TR almost seeps out of the computer! Use the TR strategies - he didn't invent them - he just promotes them, and get wealthy doing it...wishing bad things on two succesful people because they "made it" is just wrong...MP Posted by
Malibu Pauly
@ 2005-07-29 15:35
Good point about Sage/Bonnie...fake boobs, fake lips, fake hair, fake nails, likely even fake teeth and plastic surgery at this point, and to top it off, a fake name (Sage Robbins) which is a FAKE IDENTITY. Almost a complete fake person. Also, her "career" is promoting Quackery that has zero science behind it, and is just a SCAM about doing "blood work" which is just an excuse to sell suckers a bunch of overpriced supplements. You know what else is ironic? Her new last name Robbins, is what Tony took from Becky, as "Robbins" was Becky's family name. So Sage comes in, and steals and disgraces Becky's family name as well. Can you imagine how Becky would feel now that this fake blonde has taken her family name!! Ouch! When you add this up to the fact that she was obviously in cohoots with her father to mislead the court about where she was on Dec 31, 1999, and everything else, then you see what kind of person and total lack of character you are dealing with here. As a matter of fact, when you add up the fake identity, fake name taken from Tony's ex-wife, fake body parts, false persona, dating other men when she was still married and living with her husband and then trying to cover this up before a court of law, selling rip-off supplements to suckers with Quackery which is a total scam...then Tony DID find his perfect Soulmate. They are cut from the same cloth, these two characters. Woe to those who listen to what those two hypocrites have to say... Instead of having a hissy fit when Tony stole his wife from him, Lynch should have jumped for joy and said... My Bonnie, she's no bargain!! My Bonnie LIES over the ocean. (banging Tony at his resort in Fiji, that is, and lying about lying down) Take my Wife.....Please!!!!! Posted by
My Bonnie
@ 2005-07-29 15:58
Malibu Pauly, it ain't about "jealousy".
Its about being a bald-face liar, ripping people off, exploiting vulnerable people, and totally lacking integrity. Was Becky "jealous" when she destroyed all of Tony's books, journals, pictures, clothes, awards, and everything else?
Get real, that is not jealousy. Its realizing what kind of person that man is, and acting accordingly. Keep working on commission for Robbins dude. I know, its easy money, with all those suckers worshipping Tony Robbins. Its easy to shake them down, when Robbins has put them into a deep trance, and has done all the work up front.
These commissioned salesman who work for Robbins are the WORST. Posted by
Malibu Spinny
@ 2005-07-29 16:05
To the 2 previous posters, it does sound like you are jealous... Thou doest protest too much!!! It's like either you want to be in Tony's world and you can't stand that Sage is there and not you. And if you aren't jealous, why are you spending so much energy downing Tony and Sage on here? Why is how they live their life or how hot they look like your business? I hate to break it to you but they both are hot. ;) By the way, you have never addressed what flaws YOU have just others. If you feel the need, go ahead and slam me... I can take it. At least it would be a different story than the ones you keep reguirgating in here. Seriously, try to find some peace... be a force for good. :)
P.S.
MP, heeeeeey, hope you are well and livin with passion! ;) Posted by
Force For Good
@ 2005-07-29 18:01
"Force For Good", this advice is only for you, not for anyone else. Please go any do ALL of Tony's seminars as soon as you can. Borrow the money on your credit cards if you have to.
Get a second mortgage and sign up for the Platinum Partnership too. I also suggest that you also become a Franchisee for Tony Robbins as well. Also go and work for Tony for free, and he makes a fortune off your free labor.
Lastly, I suggest you also use any inheritance or life savings to attend even more seminars. Keep going back, over and over. Please, be my guest. Knock yourself out. As far as Bonnie being "hot", not a chance in hell, that woman is a walking nightmare. Anyone else reading this, do not take this advice unless you want to turn your brain/mind/money over to Tony Robbins, and get ripped off for every cent you have, by one of the most manipulative, dishonest and deceptive people you will ever meet in your life. Posted by
Malibu Spinny
@ 2005-07-29 18:23
one last point, notice how superficial, vapid, self-centered, and totally lacking in empathy and insight the Tony Robots are? This is no accident, those are the folks he attracts on purpose, as those are the people who will do what they are told, sign what they are told, and fork over the cash, and buy every program, seminar, and rip-off helath product Robbins can dream up. They will even work for him for free at his seminars...there is a sucker born every minute...ain't it the truth... Posted by
Malibu Spinny
@ 2005-07-29 18:28
Malibu Spinny,
How do you know so much about Tony? I am not on either side but you sound angry, why? Posted by
Interested
@ 2005-07-29 22:32
I agree with Interested... Malibu Spinny, there is an unusual amount of intense anger, jealousy,and bitterness coming from your posts. I hope you can find peace, happiness, and love in this life. Life is a beautiful gift... and you can open life's presents everyday... by showing up and just being grateful. :) Posted by
Force For Good
@ 2005-07-30 00:26
[WARNING: This advice is ONLY for "Force For Good", not for anyone else]. "Force For Good", go to your phone right now, and call your "Robbins Rep", and make arrangements with them to attend MORE Robbins seminars. If you don't have the money right now, that's ok. They will "help" you. They are there to help and "serve". Just get them to fax you a contract, and SIGN IT, and put a little deposit money down. They will "let" you do that, they are there to help you....You'll find the money later, right? And if you don't find the cash, Tony is a "swell guy", he won't mind. Don't worry, they won't sue you for the balance of the contract. Nawwww... They are swell guys, you can trust them, you can trust Tony, he is there to help you, not just take you money. When one of his people suggests you buy something or attend a seminar, then trust them. Go to Tony's seminar and totally turn yourself over to Tony. As a matter of fact, "Force For Good", I think you need to do Mastery University, and get a Tony Robbins "coach" or the Platinum Partnership. Call your bank and get a loan against your house, or withdraw your RRSP, or use your credit cards. Just phone the credit card company and get them to raise your limits, and then do a cash advance, and send the cash to Tony. Of course, Tony has to have his cash upfront. I turn you over to the spiritual professional commissioned salesman working for Tony Robbins. Those highly trained professional super-salespeople will teach you a lesson you will not forget for many years. Go ahead, "Force For Good", Trust Tony. Do all of his seminars, hire his coaches, buy all of this programs. Tony Robbins will teach you a lesson you will never forget for the rest of your life, all right. [WARNING: This advice is ONLY for "Force For Good", not for anyone else. Do not follow this very dangerous advice that could wreck your life.] Posted by
Malibu Spinny
@ 2005-07-30 01:10
Is that true about Tony taking the last name of Robbins from Becky's family? What was his real last name? Posted by
Dave
@ 2005-07-30 01:21
His real name is Anthony J Mahavorick Posted by
antiTRfan
@ 2005-07-30 01:53
Anyone know if there are pictures of current/former wive(s) posted on the Internet? Posted by
goLEEgo
@ 2005-07-30 02:04
Becky Robbins
http://www.roadandtravel.com/celebrities/images/beckyrobbins.gif http://www.roadandtravel.com/celebrities/images/beckyrobbinshorse.jpg Fake Blonde Home Wrecker and Adulterous Wife Stealer?
http://www.dharmaboost.com/images/tony.jpg Posted by
My Bonnie
@ 2005-07-30 03:49
Notice how Tony Robbins is committing blasphemy and showing total disrespect and mockery of the Christian religion in this photo, and he even has a Christian cross between his legs. Could a person be any more disrespectful with a sacred symbol? That is totally sick. Meanwhile, he has his fake blonde bimbo with the expensive contested boob job, leashed to his waist like a dog, with a SandM dog-collar around her neck! They say a picture is worth a thousand words, and in this case it is. They unconsciously dressed in a way that represents their life. Tony as a total hypocrite, posing as a "Holy Priest", meanwhile he has STOLEN some woman who looks like a hooker, and has her chained up and TOTALLY CONTROLLED like a dog on a leash. Think about it. http://www.dharmaboost.com/images/tony.jpg When the decision for this case comes out, maybe a news organization could crop and use this photo? It does tell the entire story of this case in ONE PHOTO.
(watch them try to pull this photo off the internet now) Posted by
My Bonnie
@ 2005-07-30 04:06
Bonnie, I am absolutely appalled at that photo --- and I am not a Catholic! What kind of spell does this woman have over him? Obviously it is something that Becky doesn't have and that in itself is hard to figure. Who are the other Sex in the City Wannabees in the photo? Can't you just feel the arrogance seething from him in the photo? Maybe Becky could see it coming. Here is an interesting site from 2001 that will give a hint of her feelings at the time: http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a6c585374ee.htm Posted by
Dave
@ 2005-07-30 10:48
To the previous poster, come on... get a sense of humor! That picture was obviously for a halloween party. You don't even have your story straight in your posts. All they do is seep out jealousy, bitterness and distortion. Tony didn't take Becky's last name.... that's BS. You got it all wrong. Tony and Sage are loving and passionate people. (If anything, Becky was no angel - she took a man away from his girlfriend. Maybe her marriage didn't work out because of it. 3 husbands? Why is it you choose not to see the other side of the story?) No one is perfect so please stop your obsessive scorn. At the end of the day, whatever you say on here, or whatever I say doesn't matter -- it's none of our business. I love Tony... and always will. He and his wife are gorgeous inside and out. Peace, Love, and Passion!!!
Medical Warning:
If you find this post raises your blood pressure from rage, go seek professional help. Posted by
Force For Good
@ 2005-07-30 10:53
That photo sure shocked me! Scary lot. "Medical Warning: If you find this post raises your blood pressure from rage, go seek professional help" Sorry, most of us are mature enough to deal with everyday emotions like fear, rage, sadness. When I feel these, I do not do things like launch lawsuits or get plastic surgery to feel better, or amass material posessions. I instead decide to work on my relationships (starting with me), and then to others. I did all of this based on common sense and a real desire to grow and seek love. Also note I am doing this without the need to pay 5k for a seminar and worship a false idol... Posted by
goLEEgo
@ 2005-07-30 14:02
Girl, you are so clueless and naive, you are going to be massacred out there. I do feel sorry for you, but on the other hand, your smugness and self-conscious blindness makes you almost deserve everything you are going to get, but no one deserves to get scammed and tricked and brainwashed and used. Tony took Becky's last name, Tony's real name is Anthony J Mahavorick. My god, you literally don't know anything, yet you act like you know everything. Then Sage took the last name Robbins, which was originally Becky's family name. http://www.nndb.com/people/551/000031458/ You "love" Tony, and I guarantee you that you have never met the guy for more than 10 seconds, unless of course if you are an attractive female. If you are an attractive female, then you could have had some chit-chat with him, or perhaps even more....if you know what I mean... You "love" him because he has engineered that feeling into you. Women are Tony's biggest victims, as they generally base their decisions on their emotions more than men generally do, so they are easier to influence in that respect. You are so hypnotized and brainwashed you are going to get totally scammed to a level you cannot even comprehend, but your closed mindedness, total unawareness of the techniques Tony Robbins does, and your arrogance makes you almost deserve what he has DONE, and is going to do to you. Its time to WAKE UP, and take off your rose-colored glasses, and try to step out of the deep trance Tony has put you in. Maybe one day 5 years from now you will remember people warning you, and then you will wonder what the hell were you thinking. Posted by
My Bonnie
@ 2005-07-30 14:02
Tony Robbins is an extremely dangerous person. Tony learned a lot of the "waking hypnosis" stuff from Richard Bandler, who learned it from Milton Erickson. Many colleagues of Milton Erickson would not even shake Erickson's hand, as he could put you in a Trance without your awareness of what what going on with a type of handshake he did, along with the way he would speak to you.
Milton Erickson was highly ethical, yet he was still a dangerous person due to his skills. Richard Bandler learned all that stuff from Milton, and then Robbins learned it too, and added about 100 other types of persuasion to it. If smart people would not even shake Milton Erickson's hand, then you should be about 100x more concerned about going into a Tony Robbins seminar, where he is going to bombard you with hundreds of mass-persuasion techniques, that are totally irresistable for most people. You will notice if you meet Robbins, he will touch you in certain ways, by the shoulder with his finger, etc, as he is doing the same types of techniques on you. Almost no one has any idea of what he is doing, as most people don't pay attention to what is going on around them. Tony Robbins is a master hypnotist, among many other things. The difference with Robbins and Milton Erickson is that Tony is has no ethics other than those that serve him, as he has no proper degrees or accreditation. He applies the most powerful "mind control" techniques that have ever existed in history on regular people who have zero idea of what is being done to them, or what is going on. They just go into Mania, and the next thing you know, they are signing expensive contracts they cannot afford, and "falling in love" with Tony Robbins, and believing that Tony Robbins is the greatest man on earth. They are in a deep, profound Trance. Very few people seem to have the acuity to see what it is Tony Robbins is really doing to people.
As far as I can see, Tony Robbins, in-person, is one of the most persuasive and manipulative and dangerous people in the world. Posted by
Hip Gnosis
@ 2005-07-30 14:20
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a6c585374ee.htm The link given above is related to news reports that came out at around that time. One would think this would be around the time when Mrs. Becky Robbins also went and destroyed all of Tony Robbins personal belongings going all the way back to the beginning of his career. One can understand why she did this, when you look at what was going on, and the blatant hypocrisy of it all. Below are some excerpts from an article from that time, posted here only for media comparison, analysis, and educational purposes. [excerpt from media articles only for media coverage comparative analysis, and personal educational and research purposes] Self-help guru helps himself?: Tony Robbins accused by wife of profligate spending; Shinan Govani. National Post. Jan 23, 2001. [excerpt #1] Here's something Tony Robbins's soon-to-be-ex-wife had no trouble getting motivated about: a restraining order against the self-help guru. Incensed that her husband is using money taken from their joint company's funds to buy his new sweetheart lavish gifts, Becky Robbins is seeking the Californian court order to put a freeze on his spending. She says she's doing it on grounds that his profligacy threatens the security of their business. The New York Post reports that, among other things, Robbins is alleged to have spent US$28,000 on a new car for his 20-year-old gal pal, plus US$18,000 so that she could get breast implants. (Now, really, is this what Tony actually meant by "Awaken the Giant Within"?) Becky, 50, also charges that since she filed for divorce from Robbins, 40, last June, his wild spending spree has included taking the company Lear jet for trips around the world, and the purchases of a new boat, a virtual golf machine and two shiny Harleys. [excerpt #2:] ...Becky's rep simply says "she's not talking about this right now... For 15 years, Becky was Tony's partner both in marriage and in professional life. She co-founded the Robbins Research International group... About the split from his wife and the fate of their four children, Robbins has stated..."We had different directions for our life, different needs, different desires, and we're very different people in many ways." Did you get that? They're different. Posted by
Artickles
@ 2005-07-30 15:00
Hip Gnosis, your information has led me to a new site I have never heard of until today. I looked up Milton Erickson and found the Wikipedia Encyclopedia. Check out this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Erickson From there you can surf other related concepts and definations. This has been so enligtening for me and I think you are right on about Tony's ethics. I posted earlier that there are four words that start with a "A" that bring down people of power who are without a moral compass. They are Addiction, Apathy, Arrogance and Adultry. It is not hard to figure out what where Tony's problems can be traced. Because of his power Addiction, his Arrogant lawsuit defending his Adultry has brought out information that, like the genie, can not be put back in the bottle. Posted by
Dave
@ 2005-07-30 15:41
Does anyone know how Tony met Richard Bandler? Does anyone know how to get a transcript of Tony's depositon by the Sun Lawyer where Tony accused the lawyer of manipulating him? Posted by
Wants to Know
@ 2005-07-30 15:50
[article excerpt for educational and analysis only] RESIGNATION LINKED TO EXPENSES JEFFCO AIRPORT DIRECTOR SPENT $7,700 ON SEMINAR IN HAWAII; Charley Able; News Staff Writer
Denver Rocky Mountain News 02-11-2002 Former Jefferson County Airport Director Jeff Price resigned after being confronted with questions about his expense account, which included at least $7,700 spent on a trip to Hawaii for a self-improvement seminar. According to county records, Price used his county credit card to pay $11,995.48 for materials, services and seminars by Tony Robbins, a motivational speaker who developed a personal achievement program that was the focus of Price's September trip to Hawaii. ``We still don't have all the information and what charges there were,'' said John Masson, county spokesman.
Price repaid another $2,500 after commissioners questioned the expenditures. Airfare and the hotel bill for the Hawaii trip amounted to $2,908.41.
Price said he secured ``verbal approval'' for the Hawaii trip and the Robbins seminar from former County Administrator Ron Holliday.
But Holliday said he ``absolutely did not'' give verbal approval and gave no written authorization for the trip as required by county policy. Both Sheehan and Lawrence said the use of county money for the trip and the Robbins seminar was improper. Posted by
Artickles
@ 2005-07-30 15:50
Just to clarify one point. Tony did not take Becky's name. Tony was Tony Robbins and doing seminars when he met Becky, Becky was a seminar participant. Posted by
Mark E.
@ 2005-07-30 15:52
We were with Becky and Tony in late 1998, there were obvious signs that the marriage was breaking down then. People grow apart for many reasons, Becky wanted to slow down, Tony didn't, Becky wanted to relax "noodle around" Tony felt like there was so much more he was driven to accomplish. You can all speculate as much as you want but no knows what goes on inside anyone elses relationship. Posted by
Mark E.
@ 2005-07-30 15:56
Of course Robbins marriage to Becky was falling apart back in 1998, that is the point. The marriage was in the dog-house for many years, and Tony was never at home, and the point is that at the same time Tony would stand up and say to his seminar audiences that Becky was is "soulmate for life", meanwhile the marriage was long ago in the crapper. This is the entire point, its all about hypocrisy, and putting on a false public face, and standing up there and telling his seminars audiences a bunch of bull about how wonderful his marriage is, when it was a hollow shell of misery. This is called dishonesty. People have talked about how they attended seminars where Tony was telling everyone how Becky was his soulmate for life, and then the next thing you know they are getting divorced. So his marriage is a disaster, and meanwhile he is up there telling everyone in a totally convincing way that his marriage is wonderful. The problem is about not telling the truth, and it really pisses people off to be deceived to their face like that. And why? So he can sell more tapes about how to have great relationships. Its all hypocrisy. His marriage was a total sham for many years, and instead of admitting the truth, he tells his fans everything is fine so he can sell them more stuff, then comes up with some bullshit story about how he met his new wife. The problem is the lies. That is the problem, the lack of personal integrity. Posted by
My Bonnie
@ 2005-07-30 16:50
Of course I am right about the Ericksonian hypnosis and Richard Bandler, because those are the facts. Robbins basically does a type of Ericksonian hypnosis, on large masses of people, and he even does some of it in his infomercials. Of course, this is not convential hypnosis, you are wide awake, and the unconscious commands can be given very rapidly, and you don't even know its happening. Robbins calls it dehypnosis, which is just an inside joke to make his hypno-buddies giggle. Its the same thing, hypnosis is just focussed attention and suggestion. Back in the bad old days, at least Robbins was slightly less dishonest about what he was doing to peoples minds. He would mess with your mind, and then show you how he brainwashed you without you knowing that is what he did. Those days are long gone. Now he is using literally over 100, or more, of the most sophisticated techniques of mass persuasion that have ever existed in human history, all at once. That is not hyperbole. And he HIDES all these techniques. He puts people in a COLD room, which is another technique, and then sleep deprives them, another technique, and food deprives them, another technique, and does at least 100 of these types of "Mind Control" techniques on people to soften up their minds. Then for lack of a better term, he "brainwashes" people over the course of a number of days. Anybody who knows anything about this stuff knows most of what he is doing, but not all of it. Robbins is close to being one of the world's top practioners in these dark arts of so-called group "Mind Control". But these days, you get people who go to all of his seminars like they are commanded to, and they don't know anything at all about what he is doing to them. Its totally unbelievable. At least the old NLP guys told you they were going to mess with your mind. But these days, you get totally naive people, who literally do not know anything, and they walk into a huge seminar, and they get bombarded from all sides with dozens and dozens and dozens of the most powerful techniques of influence, persuasion, mind control, covert hypnosis, cult indoctrination techinques, and many many other things, which ultimately amounts to a very powerful type of so-called "brainwashing". If people don't want to see the truth, I don't know what to say to them. What can you say? Maybe some people are just not able to step outside of themselves and see what is going on. They don't want to spend the years to get training in all of these subject areas, so they can see what's going on. The top advanced salespeople working for Tony know most of what is going on. People who have watched him for over 15 years do as well, as they have seen it progress. But for these incredibly naive souls who just walk in there literally knowing NOTHING at all about what is going on, I don't know what to say. It breaks my heart to see them just fall for everything hook, line and sinker. Its truly scary. It seems to me that Robbins seminars are a type of laboratory for him to see just how far he can push this stuff, and how far people will follow him. Also, power corrupts, so it might have started out as a type of experiment, but it has really gotten out of hand, like these things always do. Its not hard to project where this is going to end up. Posted by
Hip Gnosis
@ 2005-07-30 17:32
That Wiki page has a link to this. Robbins does many, many, many variations on this. The Hypnotic Handshake Induction of Milton H. Erickson http://www.nlpweekly.com/index.php?p=35 Posted by
Hip Gnosis
@ 2005-07-30 17:47
Mark, thank you for clarifying the truth which the poster "my bonnie" distorted. Becky's maiden name was Beggersteff (spelling), and previous married name was Jenkins, she never had the name Robbins until she met Tony. My bonnie, you made a serious false statement in your post yet I do not see a retraction and/or apology for your mistake. I don't see you showing any integrity, and after all your posts about hypocrisy, I find that very interesting. Sometimes the things we say that we don't like in others are the very thing we ourselves exhibit. Shame on you! I don't expect you to address this issue because you only post negative against Tony/Sage not yourself of course. Oh well. Regardless of what you have said or will say, Tony's life work -- tools and products have and do enhance people's lives when they "chose" to use them. Tony's tools/products are separate from Tony as a person. They have nothing to do with how Tony lives his life... that is only his business... not yours and not mine. He is just like anyone else trying to live his life as best he can. Does Tony worry about what you are doing or not doing in your life? Or gossip on a posting board complaining and telling stories. No, he doesn't. He could easily say you are a liar for spreading the rumor that he took Becky's last name... no integrity for apologizing publicly on this forum, etc. I'm sure you get my point. All your negative squawking in your posts appear to scream for attention..."look at me, I know the truth". But you know what, all you have is YOUR truth. You are not in Tony's life and are not Tony. Please don't try to brainwash us with your distortions of what you think Tony should do, be, or is. You've said how you felt and it's getting old.. the same old bs story. Please find a new empowering story and get on with your life. Master your own life... and stop trying to tear down Tony, Sage or anyone else who genuinely likes/loves them. Peace, Love, and Passion. Posted by
Force For Good
@ 2005-07-30 17:47
Actually, that's right! Her name was Becky Jenkins.
Anyway, my real point is that the name "Becky Robbins" was known all over the world as Tony's wife, and soulmate. Now Sage comes in and steals that away from her too. "Robbins" is a fake show-biz name, and now the old Bonnie Lynch, switched all of her names to a new show-biz false identity called Sage Robbins. Its all show-biz nonsense, but it works on the stupid multitude. I wonder if its an accident that the fake name Robbins has the word "rob" in it? I think not. For For Good, you are beyond gone, and you are even learning a few tricks of the manipulation game yourself. Go take your seminars, give Tony all your money, work for him for free, put it all on your credit cards. Go for it, you deserve what you will get from "your best friend Tony" who you "love", even though you have never met him and don't know him. (I know, you FEEL like you know him, too bad he found Sage, maybe you guys could have been Soulmates?) One day you will wake up, many years from now.
Or, if you have a cold-blooded streak in you, you might learn how to play the same game yourself one day, and do it to other people. Take a hint from Becky. One day you too will wake up and see the truth of what is going on, and destroy all the lies. But not for a long time. You are totally locked in, Tony has done his work. New input in brain, brain moulded, brain closed, wallet wide open. Next!! Posted by
My Bonnie
@ 2005-07-30 18:08
My bonnie, you clearly don't know me, say whatever makes you feel signifigant by putting me down. It doesn't bother me I can deal with it. At least it's a different story people can read in here. By the way, your little angel Becky that you are so strong to stand up for actually took Tony away from someone when she met him... just so you know. But that's not our business just like Tony/Sage's business is not ours. Why don't you just drop the whole thing and we can stay out of their business altogether? I've noticed that your posts are getting more and more emotionally charged with anyone that deviates from the way you think. I hope you find the peace you so need.
Peace, Love and Passion Posted by
Force For Good
@ 2005-07-30 18:19
what if Lynch really was telling the truth all along? what if his wife went to a tony robbins seminar and got brainwashed as tony robbins started to do his hypno-magick on her person to person, and really did steal her away from him? from the sounds of it, that sounds totally possible. tony being an expert in persuasion, it would be very easy for him to convince someone to do something. that's what he does to make millions of dollars, persuade people. so someone simple-minded like bonnie would be a cakewalk. maybe this is why Lynch went nuts, as tony took over control of his wife. Posted by
Lynch mob
@ 2005-07-30 18:21
Well the truth hurts, and we all know some people can't handle the truth. And as far as doing a smear-job on Becky, leave that to Tony, he does a much better job, like when he told everyone in Get The Edge about all of her former husbands and having kids from different men. What a creep. Now he leaks the info that Becky destroyed all of his stuff to make her sound like a psychopath. No, guess who the real psychopath is? You pal Bonnie also obviously conspired with her father and Lynch to deceive the court about where she was on Dec 31, 1999, as well as many other things. That was a very serious mistake that will haunt her for the rest of her life. We'll see what the judge has to say about that soon enough. Posted by
My Bonnie
@ 2005-07-30 18:30
"Tony's tools/products are separate from Tony as a person. " So tell me again how he managed to afford a multi-million dollar lifestyle? Surely he could live in a $200,000 surburban bungalow and still do what he does. Surely you would pay $5000 a course to meet a nice humble person who could be your neighbor, wouldn't you? "By the way, your little angel Becky " Would that be a put down?
"All your negative squawking in your posts appear to scream for attention..."look at me, I know the truth". " Would lawyers threatening Stockwatch and newspapers be something like that? That only TR knows the truth and outside, critical opinions are not allowed?
"I've noticed that your posts are getting more and more emotionally charged with anyone that deviates from the way you think" See above. Posted by
goLEEgo
@ 2005-07-30 19:57
[excerpt from media article only for media coverage comparative analysis, and personal educational and research purposes only] Libel plaintiffs rarely don't testify:
Neal Hall. The Vancouver Sun. Vancouver, B.C.: Jul 28, 2005 VANCOUVER - The court should draw an adverse inference from U.S. motivational speaker Tony Robbins choosing not to testify at a Vancouver libel trial, The Vancouver Sun's lawyer argued Wednesday. Judy Jansen, a lawyer representing The Sun and other media defendants being sued for defamation by Robbins, said the last case in B.C. where a libel plaintiff didn't testify was almost 50 years ago -- in 1956. "It's a rare thing," she told B.C. Supreme Court Justice Paul Williamson. The lawyer pointed out that if Robbins didn't bother to come to court to testify, he cannot prove any harm was done to his reputation by the Sun stories, which the defence maintains were not defamatory. "We're no wiser than before this trial occurred whether this article affected Mr. Robbins," Jansen told the court. She cited a 1922 court judgment that said that "one did not feel much sympathy with the gentleman who brought an action to show that his character was good and then did not go into the witness box." .... Bonnie's separation agreement states that she began living apart from her husband in January 2000.
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But the defence contends that Bonnie developed a relationship with Robbins shortly after she met him at one of his seminars in Kona, Hawaii in September 1999. At the time they met, both Bonnie and Robbins were legally married. Robbins was divorced in March 2001 and he became engaged to Bonnie shortly afterward. Bonnie's divorce was granted June 21, 2001, the same day Robbins filed his libel lawsuit.
... Posted by
Artickles
@ 2005-07-30 20:17
[excerpt from media article only for media coverage comparative analysis, and personal educational and research purposes only]
Robbins a factor in breakup of Langley couple:
John Bermingham. The Province. Vancouver, B.C.: Jul 27, 2005. Lawyer: Says no defamation in newspaper article It's not defamatory to have published that a married Langley woman became infatuated with U.S. self-help guru Tony Robbins and left her husband for him, the lawyer for media outlets said yesterday. ... Anderson said the articles were true or substantially true. Robbins "allowed his relationship with Mrs. Lynch to blossom to the point where it was undoubtedly a factor -- a significant factor - - in Mrs. Lynch's decision to leave her husband of seven years to pursue a relationship with [Robbins]," he said. ... Prior to meeting Robbins, said Anderson, Bonnie and John Lynch were not separating. But within a week of meeting Robbins at his Hawaii seminar in September 1999, Bonnie began phone contact with Robbins. There were 152 calls to Robbins' private answering service between Oct. 7, 1999, and March 16, 2000. Anderson said during late 1999 Bonnie met Robbins in Portland, Fiji and New York. In early 2000, Anderson said, Bonnie went golfing with Robbins, flew to Fiji on his tab and went to California to Robbins' birthday party. Anderson said Bonnie and John Lynch agreed to live separately in March 2000. Posted by
Artickles
@ 2005-07-30 20:24
[excerpt from media article only for media coverage comparative analysis, and personal educational and research purposes only] Robbins not taking own case seriously:
John Bermingham. The Province. Vancouver, B.C.: Jul 28, 2005. Defence: U.S. motivational speaker and wife declined to testify Media lawyers say U.S. self-help guru Tony Robbins "cannot be bothered" to testify in his own libel action at B.C. Supreme Court.
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Neither Robbins nor Bonnie, who are now married, came to testify how Robbins' reputation was damaged by the stories. The last time the subject of a B.C. libel case failed to take the witness stand was in 1956.
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Sun lawyer Rob Anderson said Robbins also failed to call Bonnie as a witness to explain her relationship with him and why she left husband John Lynch. "Was she infatuated or not?" asked Anderson. "She may be the only person alive who knows why she left."
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Anderson said Robbins "bought peace with Mr. Lynch" by Day 3 of the lengthy trial. "I expected the first three witnesses to be Tony Robbins, Bonnie Robbins and John Lynch," said Anderson. Posted by
Artickles
@ 2005-07-30 20:38
[excerpt from media article only for media coverage comparative analysis, and personal educational and research purposes only] Robbins details relationship with Langley woman: Court told how guru met Bonnie Lynch; John Bermingham
Vancouver Province 07-21-2005 When asked how he met Bonnie, Robbins said he was leading a nine- day seminar in Hawaii when he spotted a woman across the crowded room. Robbins said he approached the blond woman, who was doing blood- testing at the seminar to check people's overall health, and told her, "You are really a beautiful woman -- I mean beautiful inside."
"She just had this amazing aura," said Robbins... "I believe she did my blood toward the end," he said. "She gave me her number and I gave her mine. I believe that is when we exchanged numbers and became friends, but I'm not positive." Robbins didn't remember much about their phone contact over the following weeks, where telephone records show there were frequent phone calls, but recalled inviting Bonnie to his 120-hectare resort in Fiji the following month. "We were great friends," said Robbins. "We began having some physical attraction for each other....
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Sun lawyer Robert Anderson then asked Robbins whether he knew that Bonnie "was a married woman in September 1999." "I don't recall," replied Robbins. In his examination, Robbins also recalled a conversation with Bonnie's divorce lawyer in early 2001. The lawyer told Robbins his office got a bizarre call from a man identifying himself as a "friend of Mr. Lynch." The caller talked about killing Bonnie, Robbins and himself. The lawyer told Robbins not to take any chances, so Robbins hired personal security.
.... Posted by
Artickles
@ 2005-07-30 20:54
Someone asked how to access court documents and transcripts. It looks like its $6.00 for a search, and $10 for a document. If you have a friend that is a lawyer, then they could access stuff for you.
Court Services Online (CSO) is British Columbia's province-wide electronic court registry
https://webapps.ag.gov.bc.ca/cso/index.do Search Civil
https://webapps.ag.gov.bc.ca/cso/search/civil/index.do
Ultimately the judgement should be available on line. http://www.courts.gov.bc.ca/ http://www.courts.gov.bc.ca/sc/ Posted by
legal
@ 2005-07-30 21:18
won't take no for an answer serial killers fleece the public so they can grease their way out of maximum security. All it takes is one person who's forked out a few bucks for a Tony Robbins CD or book or seminar to sue Florida Corrections for letting the guy and his prison bitches out from 6 a.m. to midnight every day of the week, year after bloody BS Bush year to break every law on the planet. it's called fraud. Posted by
jen
@ 2005-07-31 01:00
sometimes the oven doesn't warm and the food wont be cooked, so i try an alternative and Tony Robbins cd is being played and telling me to cook my face, but i don't listen cause i know it's just my mental disability that is trying to play fraud with my brain, so i just forget it. And say screw you, i don't need you. Posted by
Jazzy Girl
@ 2005-07-31 01:56
Before someone closes this website out, I just want to say Thank You to Stockwatch for the very important service they have rendered in making information about the trial available on the web and for giving us a chance to post our opinions. With the exception of the reporting by the BC Paper, no one else that I know of has provided this extraordinary service to the public. Tony Robbins is recognized world wide and yet the media has avoided telling anything about this important trial. Were they intimidated and threatened by the Robbins Legal/Media machine as was Stockwatch? I am now watching the CanWest Global stock. I have decided to post an order for the company's stock. I'm betting they will win and the stock will go up. Posted by
Dave
@ 2005-07-31 02:17
Dave, I suggest signing up for a Stockwatch basic subscription and you will receive all these articles delivered to your email inbox. Be sure to support Stockwatch - looks like they have invested a ton of time and energy in this reporting, and they ain't a charity...
:-) Posted by
goLEEgo
@ 2005-07-31 11:09
I came home from one of Tony's seminars and broke up with my boyfriend at the time, not to go to Tony, or anyone else I met at the seminar but because I found the strength there to get out of a bad relationship (Sound like Bonnie maybe?). I am so glad I did because I found a great guy, ended up getting married and having a family. Had I not attended the seminar and found the straight to get out of the bad relationship and the self esteem to find something and someone better, I don't know where I would be today. Tony's seminars are not for everyone, everyone needs to find their own way, some through religion, some through therapy, others through motivational speakers. Posted by
Shelia M.
@ 2005-07-31 13:15
You know its very weird how in every single case, the people that are Tony's biggest fans, always miss the point. Why is that? The entire point of this trial was alleged libel. Then during the course of the trial, the issues of lying, perjury, hiding documents, secret phone calls, and all the rest of it came up. The real issue is about lying. Also, in general, someone who is in a position of Power, like a therapist or seminar leader, must not date or have sex with their clients. As a matter of fact, most professionals will lose their license for this. This is what Tony did. He met an employee, then made her a seminar participant and student of his, and then started having sex with her at some point. This is totally wrong. If Tony had any type of license in anything, they would take it away. Posted by
another view
@ 2005-07-31 16:55
Hey, Since reading about this trial and researching Mr. Tony'sI materials I am going to begin attending motivational speaking seminars. Looks like one of the best ways to meet insecure people and get laid that I've seen in a while. Works for you gals too! tr Posted by
tr
@ 2005-07-31 18:33
Yes, the women you meet at these seminars are the easiest, due to their low self esteem and dire need for love. All you have to do is learn the lines of the Guru, like Tony Robbins, and the ladies will be begging for it. Look at Tony, he had his pick from any of his students. Also, if you have some MLM scams to sell like Amway or something, and want to enrol people in some scam, or sell people some swampland in south america, its great to. Basically, if you are looking for naive people to take advantage of so you can get rich off them, that is the best place to go. All the suckers are in one room, so it saves time. Just exchange business cards with several hundred people. Also, make you you tell everyone you are "there to serve". Just keep repeating that over and over, about how you are there to help them. They will believe it. Posted by
therapist
@ 2005-07-31 18:43
a man who let's the children he's legally responsible for starve in order to pay for breast implants to make the boyfriends he holds hands with look better in publicity photo shots is called a deadbeat. Posted by
jen
@ 2005-07-31 20:02
Hey, I don't want to sell them Amway or any other goddamn thing ...hopefully I can just get them drunk and in the sack before they bore me to death with their "life stories". Yuk. It isn't that their problems aren't important. They just aren't very interesting. I am not looking for Miss Right. Just Miss "Right Now". tr Posted by
tr
@ 2005-07-31 23:22
so tr, do you think the Vancouver Sun knows that when Tony Robbins' "best friend" Carlos the Jackal was trying to keep the U.S. Navy from drumming him off their ships as convicted serial killer Timothy R. McVeigh he used Hess lawyer Chris Wolf to say his only crime was that he said on his AOL ho web site he is gay? gay men got more money to fork out to go on Hawaiian seminars for you hockey players to tuck in your KKKloset? Posted by
jen
@ 2005-08-01 01:00
well, someone can tell Senor Robbins that when his freaking pet pigs shoot me when I'm sitting on the fence minding my own business I'm going to get down and run on the Left for all it's worth, so he can play with the GOP goober "women" of the New Right for the next 10 years and see what freaking tar pit he sinks in 'cause only juveniles and half wits and Partridge Family peacocks want to do Mrs. Right clown gigs. Posted by
jen
@ 2005-08-01 01:30
Yes very odd that TR did not show up at trial to defend his case, any idea why? Wait, don't anwser that! I only posted a real question because I am *insanely* jealous and am seething day and night over TR! I just can't help it!!
Oh god why am I a healthy, employed, financially secure and honest and ethical person with a good family. WHY OH WHY did you smite me so! Posted by
goLEEgo
@ 2005-08-01 19:55
sorry jen and the rest of the "pet pigs" in your cabal. nobody give a shit about your opinion. get a life. Posted by
tr
@ 2005-08-01 22:31
Tony Robbins did not show up to testify, and neither did Bonnie-Sage, for one very good reason. There were too many embarrassing facts they would have had to face in cross-examination. The Sun's lawyers would have exposed Tony Robbins for who is really is, and would have busted him for all of the nonsense and lies put forward in this case.
They literally would have cut his story to pieces, and this is why he avoided testifying. This is also why they arranged it so Bonnie/Sage did not testify, and neither could her sister, as they moved her into another country.
They also blocked Mr Lynch from testifying for the same reason. The Sun's lawyers would have exposed the truth, and exposed the lies.
Tony is afraid of the truth, as the truth is his enemy.
Tony challenged the Sun's lawyer to meet him in court, and then hid from him in court. Tony is simply very afraid that the truth will be told. Posted by
Freeman
@ 2005-08-01 23:10
Seems to me that tonyboy is ka-ka in panties from latest development in courtroom, as his lawyers also ka-ka and pi-pi when tonyboy get `em in mental grip. Posted by
antiTRfan
@ 2005-08-02 16:36
hey anyone notice how Tony Robbins been sentenced to death in Florida as John Freeman. but heck, death row harem boys think they're smarter than humans and immortal too. heck, guess the only opinion that counts tr is the one the cop with the gun aimed at your pointed skin head holds. Posted by
jen
@ 2005-08-02 20:37
Hey jen, did you see that tonyboy became broke-looser from this (un)legal attempt? Posted by
antiTRfan
@ 2005-08-03 06:02
Hey antiTRfan, Where did you see that "tonyboy became broke-looser from this (un)legal attempt?" Thanks. Posted by
Curious
@ 2005-08-03 08:14
Hey Freeman, Nice summation. I think you hit the nail right on the head. Posted by
Curious
@ 2005-08-03 08:38
Force For Good, I'm sure you mean well, but I'm convinced you're "worshipping a false idol." Anyway, best wishes, and I hope you do live a life of Peace, Love, and Passion. Posted by
Curious
@ 2005-08-03 11:31
Curious, I always mean well.... and nope... I'm not breaking the 1st commandment. I just have a lot of love... nothing wrong with that is there? :) Peace, love, and passion!!! Posted by
Force For Good
@ 2005-08-03 12:18
well, anti-TRfan I did hear him complain banks won't give him any credit. might have something to do with Citibank and CIBC having to fork out $4.5 billion to cover the party he had with his Enron pals. Posted by
jen
@ 2005-08-03 15:32
Maybe tonyboy has some money, but obviously not enough POWER to mantain messy lifestyle crowned by artificial blonde on the top. tonyboy was hit by MidleAgeSyndrome and destruction begin. I think if he want to survive, he must to pull back, wich is not option for arrogant narcisoid pscuhopat. Simple destruction elements: Implants, Facelifting, lypposunction, collorlenses etc... Posted by
antiTRfan
@ 2005-08-03 16:43
Curious, I think antiTRfan may have been referring to the following: 005-07-29 09:31 ET - In the News The Vancouver Sun reports in its Friday edition that U.S. motivational speaker Tony Robbins may have spent up to $1-million in legal fees on his libel case against The Sun and other media defendants, according to a lawyer who was involved in the trial when it began almost six weeks ago. The Sun's Neal Hall quotes David Sutherland as saying outside court, "I'd say the legal fees were $750,000 to $1-million." There was four years of trial preparation and six weeks of trial, which came to an end Thursday. Mr. Sutherland represented defendant John Lynch at the start of the trial, but Mr. Lynch settled during the first week after a written apology. B.C. Supreme Court Justice Paul Williamson said he was reserving judgment in the case, which he said had been fought with "ferociousness." Judge Williamson did not say how long it will be before he delivers what is expected to be a lengthy written judgment that will closely examine if The Sun stories were -- as The Sun claimed -- fair and balanced reporting that was not defamatory. Mr. Robbins chose not to testify at the trial, which his lawyer, Roger McConchie, argued Thursday should not be a factor in the judge deciding whether to award damages. Posted by
Dave
@ 2005-08-04 00:24
Tony can squeeze an extra million out of his followers pretty easily to cover these costs. That is less than 100 new victims for Mastery University to make that million back. Don't forget, he also has very high-ticket sucker-customers as well.
All he needs is 15 new suckers for his "Platinum Partnership" to make one million bucks. (this Platinum P is not a partnership, and the only thing that is platinum is the money he is bilking those suckers for...) But the media always exaggerates what Robbins is worth. Don't forget, his ex-wife Becky took 50% of everything just a few years ago, and likely controls a number of those companies. It will not surprise me at all when Robbins ends up broke again eventually. But when that happens, then he will REALLY squeeze his sucker clients for every last cent he can get out of them. Posted by
Millions
@ 2005-08-04 04:09
Dave, Thanks for your help. I've enjoyed your posts. Intelligent and well-written. In a way, I hate to see this come to an end. Before I stumbled onto Stockwatch and their coverage of Tony's lawsuit, I thought maybe I was the only one having doubts about Tony and his character. Posted by
Curious
@ 2005-08-04 10:50
Tony raved about Dr. Robert O. Young and his "alkalize and energize" approach in his Living Health tapes. There was even a Power Talk interview with Dr. Young included in that tape program. Then all of a sudden, no more mention of Dr. Young, and Tony replaces Dr. Young's InnerLight products with a new brand. What happened?! Did they have a falling out? Posted by
Curious
@ 2005-08-04 11:46
Robbins was partners with Young, who is another MLM scammer out to get rich selling crap. Then Tony had a falling out with Young, so then Robbins went and stole his ideas, and came up with his own product with a guy named Guerrero.
(Both of these guys call themselves "Doctors" but they are not medical doctors, and likely bought them from a match cover). Robbins partner Guerrero then got in serious trouble with the FTC. http://www.ftc.gov/os/caselist/0233138/041203comp0233138.pdf So then Robbins dumped him, and moved on to the next guy. Its all about selling people that bogus green drink, which does nothing except have huge profit margins.
All of Robbins pseudoscience health stuff is a scam scam scam. Its all about making easy money and high margins. Its all junk and nonsense, that is not proven by science, and is refuted by science. Its a complete fraud. http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/DSH/coral2.html Acid/Alkaline Theory of Disease Is Nonsense
Gabe Mirkin, M.D. Posted by
Tony the Quack
@ 2005-08-04 21:53
Wow. I am so thrilled I came across this chat regading Tony Robbins. I have learned a few very interesting points by reading all the commentary. Thank you all for posting info. I'd like to share some of my personal experiences for the likes of Force for Good, and anyone else who might have a "pro-Robbins" stand. I became interested in Tony Robbins over 10 years ago. Read Unlimited Power, bought Personal Power, and honestly I was hooked from there. I was hooked for years. Fortunately it took a while to go to a seminar, but by the time I did, I realized what a shame it all is. Here's why.... THe traditional techniques Tony uses are NLP techniques. These were developed by Bandler and Grinder. These techniqes work great when used right. Tony is a master NLP practitioner among other things. These techniques most successful when taught by someone who is accountable to an identifiable code of ethics. Tony clearly makes his own ethics up. "Whatever is good for Tony is ethical provided he can get other people to agree." SOme one earlier nailed it by dicussing persuasion. That's all Tony is. He's a salesman. He sells himself, over and over. Becasue I was such a fan for so many years, I finally got myself to his "intro"seminar called "Unleash the Power." Wow. For $700 I got to listen to Tony jump around on stage and repeat almost verbatum what he says on his recordings. I heard virtually nothing new. THe only thing that was different about the experience is I got to see first hand how he rev's up and audience. I was slightly apauled. Here's what happened.... I think it was the middle of day 2. He was scribbling on a dry erase board words to say after him, sort of like a cadence. Of course he's all about getting the emotion behind anything that is said, so he instructed us to make a fist and throw it in the air in a consistant timing with each other. Fortunately, I don't remember exactly what the words were, but it went something like: "I am a leader not a follower,
I am a force for good,
step up, step up, step up...." (It was longer than that, but that was the most important part). So, we've got a couple thousand people at the Meadowlands yelling this after he yells it - to drill it in our heads - all while we're raising our fists. To get a good picture of this in your mind, think of Hitler's SS army. Think of Nazi Germany and how Nazi's were frenzied with Hitler and how they raised their arms and fists in an impassioned response to support the "cause." Same thing. So, while we're all yelling this cadence about 15 times, and all of a sudden, Tony changes the "good" to God. So, instead of saying "I'm a force for good," now he's saying "I'm a force for God." Well, I was a little stunned, and thought most other people would be too, so instead of repeating it, I looked around - only to find everyone repeating the new words. It was very creepy. I instantly felt deceived. On the surface, it might seem unimportant. But it is VERY important. We don't know Tony's plans. But one things is for sure, he's out to make money and life the life that he wants - not help you get what you want. He SAYS he wants to help. But the reality is, he wants to help you out of your bank account. I was so dissapointed with this, I left the seminar. My "Personal sales rep" (I can't remember what bogus name they call themselves, called me to see how it went. Well, having a 15 year career in sales my self, I know this guy wasn't calling me becasue he cared, he was calling me becasue he wanted to make another sale). I told him I was disatisfied with the seminar. I didn't like some of the things that were done. Now, at the time I smoked (I've since quit without the "help" of Tony), and this rep asks if I was able to quit at the seminar like I had planned? I said no becasue I don't trust Tony Robbins and I left his seminar. Well, this rep freaked. He started yelling at me that it was MY FAULT that I don't trust Tony, and there is a problem with ME - NOT TONY~! Ha! What a joke. Just like everyone, I do have problems, but not so much in the ethics department. Tony is BAD NEWS PEOPLE> I REPEAT BAD NEWS> Tony trains his staff to use very negative and aversive tactics. When NLP is used in psychotherapy, a general body of ethics dictates what is "safe" and acceptable practices. For those of you that are unfamiliar with the "aversives," it's basically the use of what Tony calls "negative conditioning." Tony uses these in just about everything. He uses them on equal footing with positive conditioning. The problem with this is THEY ARE NOT EQUAL! No one really knows what happens when negative conditioning is used, although nervous disorders usually increase, axiety, and a host of other problems. Positive also have side effects, but the side effects are good, so there's no problem. I've spent about $1500.00 on Tony RObbins products over the years. I consider myself lucky. I did learn a lot, but unfortunately I couldv'e learned the same things from Bandler and Grinder in an academic setting with safety precautions in place. If you still love Tony Robbins after reading this, take it from a former dedicated fan, the guy is bad news. Thanks all.
-KMW Posted by
KMW
@ 2005-08-05 01:05
KMW gives a totally accurate account of some of what goes on.
Especially the part where you have to deal with Robbins sleazeball salespeople. These people will say anything and do anything to get your money. Most of them are on straight commission, so if you don't buy, they don't pay their car lease. He flipped out on you, as for many passive people, they will bow down to that, and then register for another seminar. Thank goodness you walked away after one seminar. Many people get so caught up, and go to all of his seminars, and then they are almost completely brainwashed, and spend $30 grand US to start, and much more than that. The mass chanting does has much in common with Nazi propaganda techniques. The Nazi's did these mass outdoor late night rallies for a reason, because they worked on people. Guess what, Tony also does mass outdoor late night mass rallies. The reason why Robbins gets into using the word "God" is that he knows that for many people this will get into the deepest area of their psyche, and then this will be associated to Tony Robbins forever. Notice how most of his followers treat him like he is a God? Robbins is literally psychopathic in regards to the lengths he will go to get into your mind, he will stop at nothing. If he has to smash minds on the way to make even more money, well that's too bad for those who minds get smashed by his flagrant abuse of these powerful techniques. There have been cases of "psychosis" reported after a Robbins seminar. [Search Google for: "Tony Robbins" and "psychosis"] Hopefully, at some point, a Class Action lawsuit will be launched against Tony Robbins to try and stop him from doing this severe damage to people. Posted by
Dan G.
@ 2005-08-05 03:19
Here is another thread about this I found by searching Google. http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=1568883 "Motivational speakers start out by making you believe your life is a failure and that you need many things you do not have to be happy. Then they sell you a 'panacea' of products to fill that void they just created. My roomate who is 20, works a minimum wage job and is obsessed with Tony. Whats odd is he paid around $1500 to go to a seminar. He taped it, this man is the antichrist. He uses the usual "get the crowd" all riled up crap and the mob mentality takes over. Whats funnier is he came back a vegetarian and coincidentally Tony Robbins was shilling some dietary supliment and book set for $100 a bottle of the stuff.
...He is nothing but a sham." ----------------
"Saw TR on QVC or like show once hawking his mind over matter bs with a large cold sore on his upper lip. Damn near threw up at the enormity of the irony." -------------- "Raise hands, all who think motivational speakers are, by and large, smarmy parasites. Re-marketed televangelists, that's all. They use the exact same sales techniques. They both prey on the weak minded offering a vaporware product that will solve the buyer's problems. Except motivational speakers are slightly above bread mold, lawyers, and televangelists in that their product might actually make you feel better about yourself without encouraging you to harm others." ------------------ Posted by
Dan G.
@ 2005-08-05 03:31
I just found a way to access all of the Stockwatch articles on Tony Robbins. There seems to be about 66 articles in total. (cut and paste this line into Google search) site:www.stockwatch.com "tony robbins" Posted by
Dan G.
@ 2005-08-05 03:49
I appreciate the recent comments of Dan G., Curious and KMW. This has all been so revealing to me. I subscribe to World Magazine. It that magazine they advertise an $ 14,615 (US) exercise machine called ROM. You can see it at: http://www.fastexercise.com/ In written ads, but not in the internet web site, you can find Tony endorsing this machine (he has three of them). I have wondered about that. World does not have a huge subscriber list and no one searching the Internet would ever be able to link Tony with this company. What is the deal here? If any of you are offended at some of the expensive things being hawked by Tony, this ROM exercise machine will raise your hair on end. It is an interesting collection of bicycle parts but at $ 14,615 -- who are these people trying to kid? Posted by
Dave
@ 2005-08-05 06:48
Very good insight Dan. I agree that Tony switches the word "good" with "God" for the very same reason. It's sad really. But it's one of those kinds of things that is "general" enough that on the surface there appears to be no harm in it. But the harm lies in the association. The thing about Tony Robbins, books, software and improvement recordings, etc... is they are tools of cult propaganda. Honestly. Many of Robbins techniques work, but 2 things to remember are: 1. these techniques are not his and 2. he's pushing the buttons! Not you! WHile you "educate" yourself with his material, he "conditions" you to be far more than receptive to further purchases. He anchors you over, and over and over. It's quite ingenious and has been practiced, as some people have pointed out, by the church of scientology and other cult type organizations throughout history. A tip for those who want to learn about NLP Neuro Linguistic Programming(which is all Tony's NAC - neuro associative conditioning is), check out Richard Bandler and JOhn Grinder. They are the founders and developers of NLP. www.nlpu.com They are psychology PhD's and have appropriate credentials behind them. A fundamental problem with Tony's strategy (for his listeners, not him) is that by "condensing" these strategies, he cuts corners and gives the impression that all of these techniques are equal. Tony has simply taken NLP and wrapped it up in a pretty package, used some savvy marketing and high pressure sales tactics and wa la! Instant money! If you are on a Tony RObbins high, be careful. We all have to learn and experiment in our own way. But be aware that there are enough people in the world that question his ethics, which might give you a clue as to something that's just not "right." Is that just my "belief system" talking? You bet. I'm not a very conservative individual, I've just learned that Tony Robbins is whole lot of smoke and mirrors. Hopefully, anyone who reads this chat might save themselves a lot of money. Best of luck, all.
-KMW Posted by
KMW
@ 2005-08-05 11:48
KMW - I went to one of Tony's 4-day "Unleash The Power Within" seminars a few years ago. I also left after 2 days! There was nothing new. I'd heard everything before on his tape programs. And, it was a cult-like atmosphere! Everything Tony said was gospel, and if you dared question anything he said or did, the others would turn on you! He was not to be critcized or questioned. Period. I tried several times to talk directly to Tony, but of course, he was not accessible to ordinary mortals like me. I was glad to get out of there! Posted by
Curious
@ 2005-08-05 13:48
HAha! I hear ya Curious. It really is amazing how people confuse loyalty with stupidity. Another thing that was just unbelievable was the volunteer situation. I am all for volunteering and do so myself at two nearby nursing homes every holiday. But the interesting thing is, when most people volunteer, they do so for a charitable cause. Which is why people typically volunteer for a "charitable organization." Tony Robbins does not need charity! Period! Think about it! It's hysterical that people get sucked into it. Tony does have a charitable organization of sorts, but the people volunteering at these seminars are selling his programs and acting as vendors/counselors for his FOR PROFIT companies - not the CHARITABLE company. It's crazy. Curious, I'm curious, if you got to talk to Magical Mr Robbins, what would you have said? Best of luck all,
KMW Posted by
KMW
@ 2005-08-05 14:59
Tony would have a limited contract with those ROM exercise people to promote that product in that certain way. He would likely get free machines out of it, maybe some cash too. But Robbins would also mention that ripoff product at his high-end seminars, and his high-end fans with cash would go and buy it. They do whatever Tony says. He was selling the Qlink a while back, which is a total scam. (see below) KMW, also know that Robbins does much more than just NLP these days. He is doing dozens and dozens of different types of influence on his victims-clients. Also, be aware that NLP is not ethical either, in general. I have met Bandler many times, and let me tell you, that guy is no Boy Scout. NLP has been abused on people almost since day one, and Tony Robbins has been one of the worst/best abusers of it. But Robbins does much more than NLP these days. As far as the "crew" volunteers, as we all know, this is just to make more money for Tony. I also think its a big joke to him. He can brag to his hypnosis NLP buddies that he can get hundreds of people to WORK FOR FREE for his company, and work 18 hrs a day FOR FREE, and LOVE IT! I think he thinks its just a big joke, and it also puts a lot more money in Tony's pocket. Its flat out cultic-brainwashing. Every cult has "free employees" so all the cash can go to the top. Posted by
Dan G.
@ 2005-08-05 19:45
Here is Tony Robbins Qlink endorsement, for a TOTAL SCAM SCAM SCAM. http://www.holistec.com/QLink/endorsements.htm Anthony Robbins
America's Results Coach and Author of Awaken the Giant Within "As a speaker, I’m often onstage for 12 hours or more a day. Almost 7 years ago, Dr. Herb Ross found that the extreme low frequency waves (EMF) emitted by my wireless headset were creating a physical weakness in my body. When I began utilizing the QLink, I noticed an immediate recovery in my muscle strength and a counteracting of the negative effects from the headsets low frequency waves. Scientific research has shown that the QLink makes a significant difference in reducing the impact of these harmful low frequency waves. I have certainly benefited from the QLink." Posted by
Dan G.
@ 2005-08-05 19:49
Has anyone heard of "Inspires You", the Tony Robbins Fan Club? When I stumbled onto this, I was of the belief that it was independent but have now concluded that it is just an arm of the Tony Robbins Companies. Members are entitled to post comments but the most negative thing posted is a reference to William Hamson-Wong's book and the worst thing in that book is a reference to Tony being a pushy salesman for Jim Rohn. If "Inspires You" were truly a mouthpiece of Tony Robbins, would that not be another example of how controlling the message is, well, "controlling"? Posted by
Dave
@ 2005-08-06 09:09
http://tony-robbins.inspiresyou.com/ http://inspiresyou.com/ Sure, this guy looks like he is selling stuff related to this, so he would likely be getting a commission from sales. But there aren't many posts there anyway, so I doubt he makes any money. You could try to post some links and critical info and see if they allow it. The actual Tony Robbins website messageboard is totally censored. They block anything that might look bad on Tony and is at all truthful. You don't even see it, as the moderators won't even let customer complaints through. When it comes to Tony Robbins, there ain't no such thing as "independence". Its all rigged, the fix is in, the sales-scams are going full throttle... Posted by
Insider
@ 2005-08-06 12:18
I just discovered that there were other Stockwatch post on Tony that were still ongoing. I think the posts will eventually coalesce into one and this one seems most likely, since it was this one in which Tony summed it all up for us. Some of the posts have encouraged others, even me, to do more research and "surfing". It is easy to discover that Tony is a mover and a shaker but he doesn't always win. Check out this court case: http://www.ftc.gov/opa/1995/05/robbins.htm Posted by
Dave
@ 2005-08-06 21:54
When will we know the outcome of the trial? Posted by
Curious
@ 2005-08-15 11:59
Wow! Missed quite a bit of the ol' back and forth while away on vacation...three things here: (1) what's happening/happened regarding the trial? (2) peace and love to my pal Force For Good, and (3)keep using the TR tools to continually improve! MP Posted by
Malibu Pauly
@ 2005-08-17 16:39
Welcome back, Malibu Pauly. I've also been wondering about the outcome of the trial. I've been following the Stockwatch Street Wires every day, but there's been no mention of Tony's lawsuit. I know from your previous posts that your "Pro" Tony. I'm not anymore. That's OK. Certainly, we can disagree without being disagreeable. One question for you please: Which Tony Robbins strategies, techniques, or ideas have helped you the most? If you don't mind answering, I'll be happy to tell you which ones have helped me. Thanks. Posted by
Curious
@ 2005-08-17 17:41
Hello, Curious... I am "pro Tony" in the following sense: years ago I saw the Fran Tarkington infomercial featuring Tony with the odd "come over" hair...I was intrigued, and followed the 30 day program...I truly benefited from the "5 daily questions," the "rocking chair" excercise, and most of all, the "goal setting workshop." I really applied myself, and began to improve on EVERYTHING in my life - money, weight control, fitness and relationships...I never bought another TR product again, but I picked up an Unlimited Power book for a quarter at a garage sale a few years back and did a "refresher" read...three times a year I do the "30 day program" and it has worked for me...if you read my earlier posts, TR couldn't give me a trip to Fiji, I don't consider him anythnig more than a brilliant business person, and while I'm on his mailing list, I don't go to his seminars...his stuff works for me, and I couldn't care less whom he sues, marries, divorces, etc...My position is as follows: if you need motivation, use his tapes and books - they work...if you need a friend, a God or a social group, find something else...I only check back from time to time, but I will look forward to your response, and chuckle at the venom spewed by TR detractors...and not to sound like a TR shill, but I REALLY did become quite wealthy, and REALLY did buy the Malibu beach house becasue TR tapes got my off my butt...MP Posted by
Malibu Pauly
@ 2005-08-17 19:16
Malibu Pauly, Thank you for responding. I've purchased, and thoroughly studied "Personal Power", "Personal Power II", "The Body You Deserve", "Living Health", "Get The Edge", and "The Power To Shape Your Destiny." I've also attended Tony's UPW seminar. Out of all of that, the two things that have helped me the most are questions and incantations. The "5 Daily Questions", and others like, "What can I learn from this?", "How can I take advantage of this?", and "How important will this be to me in 5 years?", have really made a difference. You're probably familiar with incantations. I like to think of them as very intense affirmations. Tony discussed them at length in his "The Power To Shape Your Destiny" program. Incantations have helped me to become more confident (certain) and focused. You made a very good point about separating the teacher from the lessons. Just because I disagree with, or disapprove of some of the things that Tony does, doesn't mean that I should throw out all of his strategies, techniques, and ideas that work for me. Point taken. Thank you again. Best wishes for your continued success. Posted by
Curious
@ 2005-08-18 09:29
Good day, Curious Very nice to read you response (and I really appreciate your courtesy, too)...you're right, the positive mental anchors helped me quite a bit...given that (and my earlier "pro TR" posts), let me say this: I think I would feel a bit foolish if I sank 50K into a "guru" whether it was TR or a swami...and I agree that it is probalby true that TR's mission of helping others has long ago been trumped by his mission of becoming the "guy with the most toys..." But I got my money's worth on PPI (and my 25 cent investment in his older book), and I do not condone the fleecing of the vulnerable...since I am sure a few mentally "challenged" people show up for his seminars, it is not surprising that some are indeed fleeced...any enterprise (used car lots, etc) that employs commissioned salepeople will have some "high pressure unethical" types...but it is hard to comdemn TR for the weaknesses of a few...it is totally different from the mental health professional who intentionally takes advantage of a hurting patient...after all, TR is just a guy hocking books, tapes and seminars... all the best to you, Curious... Posted by
Malibu Pauly
@ 2005-08-18 17:03
Wow it seems if someone successful makes a small mistake these days, well look out - all the conspiracy types cry "wheres the truth".
I have done a few programs including personal power 2 and get the edge and using what I learnt I now earn $200,000 a year.. up from living off the government.
I started with no motivation, a bit of knowledge but a life that seemed to be getting nowhere.
After doing the first program my life changed, I was working hard and setting goals, Tony doesn't tell you what you need or how you should live your life - you tell yourself how you want your life to be then do it! he just shows you effective methods on how it should be done.
So keep enjoying your life putting a successful person down, (not just successful in money but in life) - and i'll keep the benefits I have been taught from the master! Thanks Tony! Posted by
Mike
@ 2006-02-17 05:16
Such an interesting forum! As for me, I’ve bought one of his CD programs on Ebay for half the price, don’t intend to buy more or go to a seminar, and couldn’t care less about who TR is or what he does with his life, or his money. To me his stuff is a means to an end. And yes, I’ve found good stuff in there, nothing new but sometimes having things laid out clearly helps. You take a little, you leave a little. Which brings me to my point: everybody in here seems to be missing one key issue. Most are accusing TR of being a “guru” and brainwashing his audience (I have no experience about his seminars so I can’t judge), etc… But all of you, whether you like it or not, have also been brainwashed for most of your life by slightly more subtle means. Let me give you two quick examples: first the media and advertising. Repetition of carefully crafted news and commercials aims at one thing only, conditioning of the audience. Then there’s education. What do you think your teachers were doing by having you repeat the alphabet over and over again? They were conditioning you, period. The problem here seems to be that society has decided that maths, geography, science and so on are acceptable topics worth conditioning us for. So you get pumped full of numbers and laws and rules and dates and released into life. But what about knowing yourself? What about learning about growth, and happiness, and goals, and discipline, and giving, etc.? Nope, these are not worth our valuable education time and resources, we’ll leave that to religion – and gurus. So a guy like TR comes along, seizes the opportunity to teach people some of the stuff they are in desperate need of, makes a killing at it, and he becomes evil for that? I don’t know… So maybe the difference is money. Our school teachers sure weren’t making his salary… ;-) Posted by
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Rebecca
@ 2006-07-26 13:17
Is it true (apparently) that Tony also had a child before he met Becky? That guy needs to learn how to use contraception! Posted by
Mark
@ 2006-08-26 05:35
"Becky Robbins -she took a man away from his girlfriend" (from a post above) Whats that all about? Thats a load of BS Posted by
John
@ 2006-08-26 08:21
He's an asshole... behind the scenes... if you were there you'd agree 100%. Fake, insecure and total bullshitter. And ooooooooooh does he get nasty if he thinks someone will find out. Eventually the same people who praise him will see what he is.... guarantee it. Posted by
concepion
@ 2006-09-21 16:52
Concepion - It sounds as though you're speaking from personal experience. Based on what I've seen, I believe you! What else can you tell us about the real Tony? By the way, thank you for posting your comment. Posted by
Former Fan
@ 2006-09-21 17:15
John,
If you were in the know you would know that Tony was living/seeing Liz Costa (mother of his first son) awhile before he was doing his seminars and stumbled upon Becky. Check the timing of when Tony got married to Becky and when Liz gave birth to Jairek... the timing overlaps. Maybe she got some karma in return, who knows. Posted by
IntheKnow
@ 2006-09-22 12:48
And where did you find about the timing of Tony married to Becky and the birth of Jairek? Were they living together for a long time, or was it just a one night stand with Liz? Posted by
John
@ 2007-10-01 12:21
I haven't seen Tony on QVC in close to two years, after writing an email complaint about his libel case to two of QVC's leading hosts who've done shows with him. I hope it's a sign QVC realizes what a crooked phony Tony is. This forum's great, btw. Posted by
Dan
@ 2007-11-06 16:02
where do tony and sage live, does anybody knows? is it san diego? or san francisco? Posted by
tatagabor
@ 2007-11-21 19:49
Jairek Robbins is the child of Tony and Becky Robbins. It is Tony's only biological child. Becky had three children with two other husbands before she met Tony. Tony adopted all three of these children when he married Becky. Posted by
get it straight
@ 2007-12-17 00:16
Boy so much venom the Tony Haters. So much rumor-mongering and untruths going on. Quite a few Trolls. Whatever makes you happy I guess. I got into the forum after reading wikipedia on Tony. My life is much much much better after I went to UPW and listen to Tony's tapes almost daily. I got out of a unhappy marriage, I am earning much much more and I am contributing even more. Most of all I am happy and I feel fulfilled. My life now is a whole dimension different from where I was before I finally listened to Tony's tapes. Regarding Tony's personal life, gossip is fun but please try to stick to the truth. WHo cares whether the cat is black or white so long as it catches mice! Posted by
MD
@ 2008-05-12 23:26
I know Tony Robbins and his family personally. It's interesting to read how the stories about him stray so much away from the truth. I am not here to defend anyone, just to remind everyone that we are all human and can make mistakes. We should be more careful about judging others without looking at our own lives first. Tony is not perfect and he never says he is. As you and me, he has made mistakes, but he is not an evil person. From his mistakes is where he has been able to learn from life and pass along his experiences to others. He has a business that happens to focus on techniques that may or may not help people...in the end, it's our own choice to adopt his techniques in our own lives or not. He is not forcing anyone to "follow" him, and if anyone feels that he has "hipnotized" anyone else...let me give you some news...we are the sole masters of our own bodies and minds, and it's up to you what you want to let in or not...not Tony or any other known guru. I find his techniques useful. Posted by
SD
@ 2008-07-18 14:55
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